Hans Schuman left his post at Hogeschool, Utrecht in June 2021, to begin his retirement. In this episode, he talks with Peter De Vries, a lecturer at Hogeschool, about his career in researching and promoting inclusive education, which spanned 45 years. In doing this, he reflects on various international models, changing attitudes and new technologies. https://www.linkedin.com/in/hans-schuman-5a180827/?locale=nl_NL